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Battle of the Burners Part 2

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PIONEER DVR-108 vs NEC ND-3500AG
Page 8 12x Speed DVD+R
Posted Aug 18, 2004 - 14:00 PM

I currently have no media available to do a full 16x speed burn comparison between the drives with the official firmwares, but I have available beta patched firmware for the Pioneer DVR-108 to give 16x 4all to DVD-R and 12x 4all to DVD+R media,so this page is a comparison of a few different medias burnt at the maximum speed comparable between the two drives


This first test will compare PRODISC R04 16X speed media
burnt at 12x speed

PRODISCR04 16X speed DVD+R
01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00 00 00 00 00 00 07 50 52 4F 44 49 53 43 00 52 .......PRODISC.R
30 34 04 38 23 54 37 0F 02 2C 6B 02 78 63 1D 1A 04.8#T7..,k.xc..
0E 0B 0C 0C 01 1A 1A 0C 0C 0D 0D 00 00 00 00 00 ................
Media InformationNEC ND-3500AGPIONEER DVR-108
Region information
Media code/Manufacturer ID
Media Product Revision Number
Format Capacity
Free Blocks
Free Capacity
Book Type
Media Type
Media Id Code Speed
Available Write Descriptor
Available Write Descriptor
Available Write Descriptor
Available Write Descriptor
Available Write Descriptor
Available Write Descriptor
Data area starting sector
Linear Density
Track Density
Number of Layers
N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
PRODISC R04
04h
Not Formatted
405405696
4.38GB(4.70GB)
DVD+R
DVD+R
Unknown
CLV 16.0x 22160KBps
CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
30000h
Unknown
0.74um/track
1
N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
PRODISC R04
04h
Not Formatted
405405696
4.38GB(4.70GB)
DVD+R
DVD+R
Unknown
NOT AVAILABLE
CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
NOT AVAILABLE
30000h
0.267um/bit
0.74um/track
1

From this table we can see the difference is that the NEC is capable of burning at the additional speeds of 16x and 2.4x The firmware is not patched for 16x DVD+R as it is considered too fast for a reliable burn to uncertified media and in fact 12x speed burning is quicker than 16x speed the way it is applied with the Pioneer

Pioneer


NEC

Interesting here The Pioneer burns at 6-12 Z-CLV as is normal for the drive and the NEC burns at the 5-13 CAV this media being recognised as 16x speed media the NEC used the 16x burning mode as default. Normally the NEC would burn 12x speed media at Z-CLV the same as with TYG02 From these charts we can see the Pioneer is 7 seconds faster but if the NEC had used its correct Z-CLV burning mode it would have been 18 seconds faster.

Burn Quality
Pioneer



Burn Quality
NEC



From the burn quality test both graphs are excellent and I consider them to be as good as it gets. The only minor point I repeat minor is the 6x speed burn in the Pioneer gives PIE errors a little higher than the rest. Overall the NEC burn is marginally better here. The % jitter with both burns is fairly constant and good, the Pioneer being marginally better.
Both these graphs are good and very little between them with this media I consider both drives the equal in this area

Read Speed Test
Pioneer



Read Speed Test
NEC

Interesting here the initial 6x burn in the pioneer produced an erratic graph which smoothes out after the switch to 8x speed burning with a minor glitch half way.
The NEC starts a smooth graph again with a minor glitch in the middle of the burn. The NEC burnt disc was 22 seconds quicker at being read. Both graphs although not ideal are good and perfectly acceptable. Again there is little to chose between them here so the only main advantage is the pioneer which is a mere 7 seconds faster at burning







More Reviews
Pioneer DVR-108

BATTLE
of the
BURNERS
  1. FUJIFILM03 8X
  2. TYG02 12x
  3. RITEKG05 8X
  4. PRODISCR03 8X
  5. CDR Media
  6. 16X Burning
  7. MINI DVD-R
  8. 12x DVD+R
  9. RICOHJPN01 8X


Added:  Wednesday, August 25, 2004
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